Pastor Rick Warren, of Saddleback Church and the "Purpose Driven Life" has done us all a great service by creating, hosting and running a candid, serious and probing set of interviews with Barry and John-boy. Or given how it played out perhaps we should say, Sen. Obama and McCain. Everyone comported themselves with great dignity, forthrightness, integrity, honesty and spoke well. Despite what you may have heard the reach and range of the questions is such that you really need to watch this for yourself. In aid of that goal after the break you'll find URL pointers to both the CNN online video clips as well as C-SPAN's; and a pointer to a full transcript as well. You'll also find some related readings excerpts associated with their related URLs, if you want to click on through and read the whole thing. We didn't grab everything but did try and grab a representative sample who seem to be reasonably accurate and useful, in our judgment at any rate. Even where we didn't entirely agree with the assessments on either side of the analysis.
Pastor Rick did a superb job and, in our opinion, a serious public service for the nation. You are not likely to hear anything better in this campaign. In fact he set the tone, as well as defined some critical aspirational principles we'd like to see return to the center of our public square.
- We believe in the separation of Church and State. We do not believe in the seperation of Faith and Politics because Faith is a worldview that should help determine your choices.
- We need to learn to to disagree without demonizing each other. We need to return Civility to Public Discourse.
Bottomline you need to watch these - if you're going to vote there is, we think, no better use of your time. Particularly since the general consensus - while not grossly inaccurate - filters out too much, doesn't catch the implications and misses to much of the deeper character because too many of the commentators didn't understand what they were hearing on several levels. You might also want to check out some of the vidclips of Pastor Rich - who agree or not, share his faith or not - is both eloquent, thoughtful and experienced in the ugliness of the real world. His efforts here should change for the better many of the negative impressions bandied about in the MSM and commentariat about Faith-Holders, evangelicals in particular. Beyond that if you have a view of them as simple-minded, monolithic and incurably benighted at least know your opponent better. You might be surprised.
The "consensus" seems to be that John-boy was direct, forceful and impressive. He was certainly better here than in any other venue we've heard him. And that Barry was subtle, nuanced and careful. At a superficial surface level that's probably accurate. But doesn't begin to go far enough, though some of the excerpts provide examples that are fairly accurate. Let me offer up my key impressions.
1. First off these are both impressive people - principled, intelligent, and wanting the best for their country. At the end of the day I ended up liking and admiring them both and would be privileged to have them as friends, colleagues or comrades. On our historical scale solid B players. Bear in mind the list of A players is pretty short, e.g. George, Abe, Teddy and so forth. It's grading on the curve and it's a tough curve. But then it darn well should be, shouldn't it ?
2. The differences of nuance verses directness that everybody has commented and concluded on misses a fundamental and critical point. John McCain is of a generation and upbringing where clear, even simple, fundamentals were what you acquired, grew up with and developed over your lifetime. Barrack Obama is a child of a different, more complex, more diverse age and upbringing. One perhaps more accurately reflective of the world we must find our way in. Yet neither is right or wrong in and of themselves. In fact you need to be sensitive to complexity but able to decide, act and carry thru on fundamental core principles. Which man bests suits the times is for you to judge, but if you're honest, hard to do because we need a balance of both.
In case the commenters completely missed the backstory here and, therefore, how it's likely to play out among different voter groups depending on what they're sensitive too.
3. The initial questions were on character, specifically tell me about a major choice you had, a moral failure of yours and a touch, morally challenging decision. And who would be your go-to counselors. Barry's answers were of a thoughtful, civilized person. His advisers - his wife, grandmother and so forth. John-boy's were Gen. Petraeus, Meg Whitman and John Lewis, a great, black civil rights leader who almost died from it.
The most telling differences probably lay in the "tell us a tough choice". Frankly Barry's escapes me - some personal trivia. John-boy's was to stay in prison and continue to be tortured. Asked to answer the equivalent question on a tough leadership decision Barry answered, "when John and I worked together on campaign finance reform". McCain's was when I bucked the most respected Republican president of the time, Ronald Reagan, on his Lebanon decision because he was wrong; and even though it could have destroyed my career which was just starting.
Barry's a nice guy but John's beliefs come from having lived thru the fire and paid full ferry toll for them.
4. On the other hand John-boy's stump speech tirade that fundamental Islamic radicalism is the major crisis of our time was out of place and, after several thousand words of analysis, and much research, beyond plain wrong. It's merely one of many, not the most important though perhaps the most immediate. China and the BRICs, Russia's primitive revanchism, and a serious economic downturn are in fact more serious, urgent and consequential.
5. Speaking of which not much was said directly to the economics issues though it was dealt with in passing via taxes and "who's rich". Barry's answer was a policy wonks while John-boy's was wishy-washy, ill-thought and ill-expressed. In the larger scheme neither candidate has come up with comprehensive, workable or sensible economic policy proposals. This will be the single most important issue after January and neither seems to have a grasp.
6. As a final note, pro or con, all the commenters seem to feel that John-boy was in a home-court audience while Barry was dealing with a potentially unfriendly crowd. Perhaps - and while John caterred to their core interests he wasn't very expressive or insightful on matters of faith. That may be the private person. Barry on the other hand did get several rounds of heartfelt applause - these are not Oral Robert's "Moral Majority". More back to the "Social Gospel" of Christians doing good. And that should NOT be under-estimated. MUCH more importantly Barry displayed a comfortable familiarity with Scripture and a more than surface reading. He'd clearly read, understood, internalized and was acting on Scripture. And these people would recognize that. Yet another major point that no talking head or commentariat appartchik got.
Bottomline - well to tell the truth I'm still not sure. As an old rock climber we used to have an interesting test. Would you let this guy hold the other end of the rope if you were on lead ? Understanding that the guy on lead had a many feet freefall if he slipped and your life depended on the guy on the safety rope being willing to take some serious pain to arrest you. John-boy would without a doubt. Barry...well I'm not sure.
On the other hand John-boy might damm well get you climbing directly up some damm face you had not business being on or didn't even need to climb. With Barry you could sit down and work thru the alternatives, pick the right climb, avoide it altogether and maybe go shoot some hoops and have a brew.
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